Interview with Dorothy Allison

This is not my interview–I will have some up one of these days, though–but one by Susanne Diet­zel from Tulane Uni­ver­si­ty, con­duct­ed in 1995.

When I taught a writ­ing course using what I called White Trash Lit­er­a­ture maybe ten years ago, near­ly every author we read was met ini­tial­ly with skep­ti­cism and ennui–another themed writ­ing class. Most of the stu­dents had tak­en the class because of the sub­ject mat­ter, though, think­ing I don't know what–that it would be an eas­i­er grade? And for some of them it was–it was a tough class to keep on topic,because I had so much to say and and a cap­tive audi­ence. But the one book they were uni­form­ly floored by was Dorothy Allison's Bas­tard Out of Car­oli­na. Like many inex­pe­ri­enced read­ers, stu­dents thought nov­els were true a great deal of the time, if not always, and this book, and the har­row­ing film made from it, stuck to their brains like bur­dock, and rein­forced this mis­take, and it took some talk­ing to dis­abuse them. And the film show­ing was one of the few times I had mul­ti­ple walk-outs. As I said, what struck them, always, was what they termed 'bru­tal hon­esty.' They respect­ed the text too much to ques­tion or dis­cuss it, except for a cou­ple vol­u­ble quick wits who made fun of it. So I was glad to see Diet­zel deal­ing with that aspect of Allison's work specif­i­cal­ly in this interview.

This inter­view was con­duct­ed as part of the annu­al Zale Writer in Res­i­dence Pro­gram at the New­comb Col­lege Cen­ter for Research on Women at Tulane Uni­ver­si­ty in Novem­ber 1995. This year the pro­gram com­mit­tee had invit­ed award-win­ning nov­el­ist Dorothy Alli­son, who is most famous for her nov­el Bas­tard Out of Car­oli­na, to be the Zale Writer-in-Res­i­dence. Dorothy Allison's work is secure­ly locat­ed on the bor­ders of south­ern and work­ing-class lit­er­a­ture, with deep roots in fem­i­nist and les­bian-fem­i­nist activism and politics. 

Dorothy Alli­son is the author five books of fic­tion, poet­ry and non-fic­tion and the win­ner of numer­ous lit­er­ary awards. She grew up in Greenville, South Car­oli­na and Flori­da and now lives with her part­ner, son, and dogs in north­ern California.

This inter­view was con­duct­ed by Susanne Diet­zel, a Vis­it­ing Schol­ar at the New­comb Col­lege Cen­ter for Research on Women and doc­tor­al can­di­date in Amer­i­can Stud­ies and Fem­i­nist Stud­ies at the Uni­ver­si­ty of Min­neso­ta. She is now a Vis­it­ing Assis­tant Pro­fes­sor of Women's Stud­ies at Tulane University.

This inter­view was tran­scribed by Kel­ly Don­ald and Michelle Atte­bury, and (only slight­ly) edit­ed by Susanne Dietzel.

Susanne Diet­zel- Dorothy Alli­son is an award-win­ning poet, nov­el­ist, and essay­ist. She is also an activist in fem­i­nist and les­bian fem­i­nist pol­i­tics and, lat­er on I want to talk a lit­tle bit about the con­nec­tion between writ­ing and pol­i­tics. She has pub­lished five books, the first was a col­lec­tion of short sto­ries called TRASH came out in 1989. Her sec­ond book is a col­lec­tion of poet­ry called THE WOMEN WHO HATE ME, poems 1980–1990 that came out in 1991. Dorothy Alli­son is most famous for her nov­el BASTARD OUT OF CAROLINA, which came out in 1992, and won the Lamb­da Award, and was nom­i­nat­ed for the Nation­al Book Award. She fol­lowed that one up with her abso­lut­ley won­der­ful col­lec­tion of essays called SKIN that was pub­lished by Fire­brand Books in 1994 and here is her newest book, called TWO OR THREE THINGS I KNOW FOR SURE, which is a mem­oir about fic­tion­al and real fam­i­lies com­ing to terms with each oth­er and with their his­to­ry. Dorothy Alli­son grew up in Greenville, South Car­oli­na and Flori­da and now lives in North­ern Cal­i­for­nia with her part­ner, child and dogs. 

Susanne Diet­zel- What I find most strik­ing about your writ­ing is your bru­tal, but lov­ing hon­esty. As a read­er, you just come to love, but also hate your char­ac­ters. Your fic­tion then is to some extent relent­less, because you take your read­er right into those expe­ri­ences. But again, I kept com­ing back to the themes of hon­esty and love that I think are real­ly the foun­da­tion of your writing. 

Dorothy Alli­son- I have a the­o­ry about writ­ing fic­tion. I often run into young writ­ers who ask me the ques­tion "How can you tell those ter­ri­ble sto­ries about peo­ple? How can you make them seem almost real, or live­able or love­able?" And my the­o­ry is that if you cre­ate a char­ac­ter and if you tell enough about that char­ac­ter, even if you are cre­at­ing some­one who is a vil­lain or some­one who does ter­ri­ble things, if you tell enough about them, then you have the pos­si­bil­i­ty of lov­ing them. And that if you tell enough about a char­ac­ter, even if you use a char­ac­ter based on peo­ple you know, you don't cre­ate an act of betray­al. It is when you use char­ac­ters in small ways that you betray them. The key is to make the por­trait as full as pos­si­ble and it is not pos­si­ble if you lie. It is not pos­si­ble if you try to hide. And the thing that writ­ers hide is them­selves. I don't belive you can be any good as a writer if you're try­ing to hide your­self. So, I get told a lot that I'm bru­tal­ly hon­est. I essen­tial­ly think that I want to do it right, and I don't believe that you can if you try to shave off any mar­gin of safe­ty. If you're try­ing to be safe, you got no busi­ness writ­ing. If you're try­ing to con­trol what hap­pens, you real­ly don't have a whole lot of chance. The only thing you can con­trol is to cre­ate as full a por­trait as pos­si­ble. Then you can make peo­ple seem human. But you don't real­ly get any safe­ty in that. And you don't get to lie — except of course that you are telling great lies.

Con­tin­ue read­ing.

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How I Learned To Shut Up And Listen

What to say about Rachel who pressed
a dark pis­tol against her chest and gave up
in the mid­dle of the day at the lake­front—
the hot cut­ting from tit to ass cheek,
miss­ing all of the organs except her
mind which to this day she coats
in cocaine and sug­ar daddies.

Or Jean Paul who would tell me
what blow jobs were like when we
were kids, and he'd take advan­tage
of a smile and feath­ered hair to laugh
when laugh­ing was inap­pro­pri­ate. His
sto­ries of mak­ing it with the girl
who sat in front of us in class
became a form of his­to­ry when
they found him hung out­side
his girlfriend's trailer.

When I hear tele­vi­sion news smile
about the tragedies of being alive—
again and again I won­der what
you are doing. The last time
we talked we fucked against
the wall in com­plete agree­ment
that what­ev­er it was, was over.
The idea of a heav­en every­one
seems to go out of their way
to avoid. The art of darkness.

What to say about the bad things?
And the ones con­tem­plat­ed while
I pre­tend to not be anoth­er ass­hole
in mid­dle Amer­i­ca? I once fell for
a Fil­ip­ina hook­er with blue con­tacts.
What is wrong with lis­ten­ing instead
of talk­ing into the deaf wind?


Ken­neth Clark
has lived in most of the south­east­ern Unit­ed States. He writes poet­ry and micro-fic­tion. His poet­ry has appeared in Night Train, Poor Mojo's Almanac(k), and Great­est Uncom­mon Denom­i­na­tor.
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A Catfish Skeleton Reminder


I have been away on vaca­tion with the fam. At the Muse­um of Nat­ur­al His­to­ry, I ran into a cat­fish skele­ton, so I had my love­ly bride Heather take a pic­ture, in lieu of break­ing the glass case and com­mit­ting a crime. I'd take a vaca­tion in the South for sure if some­one would take me noodling. I even had take­out cat­fish nuggets for din­ner one night. They were all right.

Sto­ries and more edi­fi­ca­tion­al posts com­ing this week. Here's a trav­el tip for you: don't dri­ve to DC from Boston. Just don't.

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That Secret Code: Working Class Literature


I pulled these inter­views by Orman Day from the site of Third Coast sev­er­al months ago mean­ing to add to my col­lec­tion of links on or relat­ed to Lar­ry Brown. While I wouldn't call his por­tion rev­e­la­to­ry, exact­ly, Brown's sto­ry res­onates even more when com­pared with the oth­er inter­views: Dan Chaon, John McNal­ly, Susan Straight. You only get out of the work­ing-class mind­set by iso­lat­ing your­self, chang­ing social class entire­ly, pre­tend­ing to for­get what your past is like, becom­ing an 'oth­er.' To remem­ber what you left is to induce the gut-crunch­ing home­sick every­one who leaves feels: you might alien­ate your fam­i­ly, lose your bone-deep famil­iar­i­ty with your sur­round­ings, and end by apa­thy your oth­er rela­tion­ships with­in that class, but you'll always have that guilt.

I'm post­ing the intro­duc­to­ry por­tion and a few ques­tions. For the full Mon­ty, vis­it the Third Coast link in my first paragraph.

Lar­ry Brown, Dan Chaon, John McNal­ly, and Susan Straight tell what work­ing-class lit­er­a­ture means to them—how and why they indi­vid­u­al­ize the expe­ri­ences they do, what they hope to leave behind, and the plea­sure they feel when they get a ‘laugh of recognition.’

by Orman Day 

Their child­hood homes didn’t have shelves lined with leather-bound clas­sics, but they made fer­vid use of their library cards. Their par­ents didn’t have the mon­ey to take them on Euro­pean tours of muse­ums and ancient archi­tec­ture, but they learned that books would let them hike through the ele­phant grass of Hemingway’s Africa or study the wind-rif­fled waters of Loch Ness for signs of a huge, hoary snout, and a whip-like tail.

For the four of them, youth was a time when mon­ey was tight, but their imag­i­na­tions were fer­tile. As ear­ly as five, one of them—bored with TV and his stash of books—started to cre­ate his own sto­ries in secret. 

In their twen­ties, they couldn’t rely on trust funds to finance gar­ret flats in Paris or Brook­lyn or San Fran­cis­co. Instead, they need­ed to work to buy their gro­ceries, ink, and reams of paper. One of them joined the Marines and then became a firefighter.

Although the details and geog­ra­phy vary, these four rose out of the work­ing class to win lit­er­ary plaudits: 

Lar­ry Brown—who died of a heart attack at age 53 in Novem­ber 2004—was a Mis­sis­sip­pi native and mas­ter of “grit lit” whose work includes the non-fic­tion­al On Fire, short sto­ry col­lec­tions Fac­ing the Music and Big Bad Love, and nov­els Fay, Joe, Father and Son, Dirty Work, and The Rab­bit Fac­to­ry.

Dan Chaon is a Nebras­ka native who teach­es at Ober­lin Col­lege in Ohio and whose books include the nov­el, You Remind Me of Me, and the short sto­ry col­lec­tions, Among the Miss­ing and Fit­ting Ends.

John McNal­ly is an Illi­nois native who teach­es at Wake For­est Uni­ver­si­ty in North Car­oli­na and is the author of The Book of Ralph, a fic­tion, and Trou­ble­mak­ers, a short sto­ry col­lec­tion, and has edit­ed anthologies.

Susan Straight is a Cal­i­for­nia native who teach­es at U.C. River­side and is the author of Aqua­boo­gie, I Been In Sorrow's Kitchen and Licked Out All the Pots, Black­er Than a Thou­sand Mid­nights, The Get­tin Place, and High­wire Moon. She was a Nation­al Book Awards judge in 2004.

Here are their obser­va­tions about their lives and lit­er­a­ture in response to ques­tions sent them by email in 2004. Answers from Brown—who inter­rupt­ed work on a new book to participate—arrived by snail mail just months before his death in November.

What kind of work did your par­ents do?

Brown: My moth­er worked at Camp Elec­tric Com­pa­ny in Mem­phis when I was a kid, next to Sun Stu­dios. Jer­ry Lee Lewis used to come in there and get cig­a­rettes from the machine. Lat­er she worked at Katz Drug­store, over on Lamar. Much lat­er, when we moved back to Mis­sis­sip­pi, she worked at Sears for a long time, then the North Mis­sis­sip­pi Retar­da­tion Cen­ter, run­ning the switch­board. My father took us away from Mis­sis­sip­pi in 1954 because he couldn’t make it share­crop­ping. He worked at Frue­hauf Trail­er Com­pa­ny for a long time. Then he paint­ed hous­es some, and worked at the Mid-South Fair. When we moved back here, he worked at a stove fac­to­ry in Oxford until he died sud­den­ly ear­ly one morn­ing in 1968.

Chaon: My father was a con­struc­tion worker—a jour­ney­man elec­tri­cian. My moth­er was a stay-at-home mom or (as she said) a “house­wife.” My dad trav­eled a lot and dur­ing the sum­mers we would some­times live in a rent­ed trail­er house near where he worked. The most mem­o­rable of these was an enor­mous work­er camp, a huge trail­er encamp­ment out­side of Gillette, Wyoming.

McNal­ly: My father was a roofer for thir­ty-some­thing years, but for about five or so years he tried to run his own wall-wash­ing and rug clean­ing busi­ness. He bought two machines and put ads in papers, and I’d occa­sion­al­ly go with him to help out. I was prob­a­bly between six and ten years old. He wasn’t mak­ing as much mon­ey as he did roof­ing, which is why he went back, but he always want­ed to run his own
busi­ness. He hat­ed work­ing for some­one. My moth­er worked in a fac­to­ry until she had to go on dis­abil­i­ty leave for health prob­lems. It killed her not to be work­ing. (This is where we used to part ways: she always thought I should have a job, that it would be good for my char­ac­ter; I hat­ed work­ing and would resist look­ing for a job as long as I could.) She was from a large share­crop­ping fam­i­ly in Ten­nessee, and she start­ed pick­ing cot­ton when she was three. At thir­teen, she left home, moved to Mem­phis, and got a job in a nurs­ing home, work­ing there for about six years before mov­ing to Illi­nois with her moth­er and two sis­ters.

Straight: My moth­er was born in Switzer­land, lost her own moth­er at age ten, and her fam­i­ly emi­grat­ed to Cana­da and then the US. She left her home in Fontana at age sev­en­teen and began work­ing as a sec­re­tary, and she worked for insur­ance com­pa­nies and banks for my entire life, except for ten years when she stayed home and raised fos­ter chil­dren with her own (five total). My step­fa­ther has had many jobs: he owned a series of laun­dro­mats and repair facil­i­ties, and when I was in col­lege, he got a great mar­ket­ing job for a linen com­pa­ny. He is retired.


Was mon­ey a major concern?

Brown: Yes. Always. We were very poor.

Chaon: My dad wasn’t very good with mon­ey. I remem­ber times when he seemed pret­ty flush, and oth­er times when it seemed that we were broke. My par­ents were always buy­ing things and then hav­ing to sell them, or hav­ing them repos­sessed.

McNal­ly: Mon­ey was always a con­cern. I tend to think that every argu­ment my moth­er and father had was about money—and they argued a lot. My father, always look­ing for some way to make it on his own, would spend what lit­tle mon­ey we had on, say, “stock” for the flea mar­ket; my moth­er, on the oth­er hand, was the one who had to buy the gro­ceries, etc., so she always knew how much mon­ey we had or didn’t have. We used to move from one apart­ment build­ing to the next—I went to five dif­fer­ent grade schools—and the one thing my moth­er always want­ed was a house. Once we final­ly moved into a house (my sopho­more year of high school), my moth­er feared we were going to lose it, and my father always com­plained about how much it cost. The house ratch­eted up the stress-lev­el for the few years we lived there. After my moth­er died, my father (bur­dened with med­ical bills) filed for bank­rupt­cy and let the bank take the house.

Straight: Mon­ey was always a con­cern. Every minute, until I was in col­lege. We wore home­made and used cloth­ing, we ate inex­pen­sive food, and there were lots of kids. But as the clichés go, we had a great time play­ing ball in the park, run­ning the streets of our neigh­bor­hood and the foothills (we loved dirt surf­ing down the bar­ren hill­sides!) and not until I went to high school did I real­ize how much mon­ey and clothes and hair­cuts mattered.

Remain­ing inter­view here, in case you missed it above.

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Love Letter by Donna Vitucci

Dear Sam,

Once they sprung you loose from the war, why go to a no-name Okla­homa town, among strangers? Why hole up in a board­ing house with a freck­led girl who has no idea the shine and pur­pose you held in 1932? Why, Sam, do you pre­fer flat plain to the glo­ry moun­tain? Why not come home to the sis­ter who wrote you when writ­ing seemed the least effec­tive means of relay­ing devo­tion? Come back to your peo­ple, who would lav­ish love and for­give­ness in equal mea­sure for all you sac­ri­ficed over there. We’d bind your wounds, every one. I would.

The preach­er would pour praise from the Sun­day pul­pit like Saul anoint­ing David, and those pray­ing in the pews would sing your hero­ics. You were our cho­sen one, Daddy’s cho­sen one, first born son, and he nev­er got over you leaving.

While you’ve been gone, Daddy’s told sto­ries we nev­er imag­ined we’d hear. Dar­ren, he only half under­stands. To him it’s anoth­er way of Dad­dy sooth­ing him to rock-a-bye-land. The hare­lipped mid­wife, once Mama expired, Dad­dy said, she snapped the pelvis easy as a chicken’s wish­bone to get that baby free. Woman said, “She nev­er should have had more than one.” The one being me, and believe me, I wear that mark of being “the one” like a birth­mark. Thus, the baby stuck in the canal, our lit­tle Dar­ren, got deprived of some oxy­gen. At least the way he is he’ll nev­er be going in the mine.

Oh, Sam, no rea­son now not to come home to this West Vir­ginia holler, where I know your heart is, where works a dad­dy who loves you like a wor­ship­per his God. He took and tried bury­ing that deep affec­tion, but every day Dad­dy comes up from there more rock and less man. All this time we’re sup­pos­ing you’re part of the mar­riage ‘tween him and a first wife. But the woman, he revealed in a fit of drink, took off to be a singer, “or most­ly a whore, while I gave my name to anoth­er man’s son.” His secret wiped the world black a minute, then the stars came out, twin­kling so bright they hurt my ears. My mind clanged like a pis­ton so I hard­ly heard him add: “Chose my first wife for vices, chose the sec­ond on her virtue.”

I know what I’m telling you here is all back­ground, all edge of sto­ry because to tun­nel to the truth, to write it on paper any clear­er would be like greet­ing the dark mouth of the mine and the deci­sion to take each new day down into it. Like the loco­mo­tive you stared at til you real­ized star­ing wasn’t going to stop it, til you real­ized in that con­test it was you or fly­ing steel and it was nev­er gonna be you.

Me and Dar­ren, we make the home now. Moth­ers gone. Yes, two moth­ers AND two fathers. Sam, I loved you, I love you still. Don’t you see we aren’t blood kin after all? And it would be all right. It would. Even the preach­er would say so.

You have my heart.

Lor­raine

Born and raised in Cincin­nati, Don­na feels very near­ly south­ern, what with that Ohio Riv­er and Ken­tucky prac­ti­cal­ly part of her back yard. On her mother’s side of the fam­i­ly every uncle and male cousin has been a truck dri­ver. Before trucks they drove wag­ons, most­ly ice deliv­er­ies to the bars in Over-the-Rhine, an inner city neigh­bor­hood in the heart of down­town Cincinnati.

Donna’s sto­ries have appeared or are forth­com­ing in dozens of print and online pub­li­ca­tions, includ­ing Nat­ur­al Bridge, Hawaii Review, Merid­i­an, Gar­goyle, Broad Riv­er Review, Hur­ri­cane Review, Front Porch Jour­nal, Beloit Fic­tion Jour­nal, Sto­ry­glos­sia, Inso­lent Rud­der, Turn­row, Night Train, Juked, Smoke­long Quar­ter­ly, Anoth­er Chica­go Mag­a­zine, and Ginosko.

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Writers Who Deserve More Attention I: Tim McLaurin



I mean, besides all of them. 🙂

I'd like to cre­ate a ware­house of links occa­sion­al­ly, ref­er­enc­ing writ­ers who may or may not be on your list of pop­u­lar or well-enough-known writ­ers, along with some small com­men­tary. When I do these, they'll be sub­ject to addi­tions and cor­rec­tions at var­i­ous points as I find more infor­ma­tion, and I'll let y'all know when I edit. Today's writer is Tim McLau­rin, a North Car­oli­na native with a few nov­els, two mem­oirs and one epic-length poem to his credit.

I dis­cov­ered his work by fol­low­ing the blurb trail from Har­ry Crews to Lar­ry Brown to McLau­rin. The first book I found was the mem­oir Keep­er of the Moon, prob­a­bly his best-known book, in which he described his dif­fi­cult child­hood as well as his adult expe­ri­ence in recov­ery from the mul­ti­ple myelo­ma which even­tu­al­ly killed him at age 48 in 2002. I'd read Crews' A Child­hood first, so I knew more or less what I could expect from McLau­rin. Poverty–hardscrabble poverty–and alco­holism, along with often-rap­tur­ous descip­tions of the nat­ur­al world, and con­sid­er­able atten­tion paid to the whys and where­for­es of fam­i­ly inter­ac­tion. The book remains in the enjoy­able though quo­tid­i­an realm until McLau­rin begins to detail his bat­tles with can­cer. I wish every­one who ever sent me a can­cer sto­ry would read this before send­ing it out again. It is a rock-hard rev­e­la­tion of a sto­ry, one you won't for­get soon. I rec­om­mend, besides Keep­er of the Moon, the fol­low­ing titles:

The Acorn Plan
The Riv­er Less Run
The Last Great Snake Show
Cured by Fire
Anoth­er Son of Man

Here's a small list of rel­e­vant links if you'd like to find out more about McLaurin:

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Blind Lemon, by Jim Parks



"[African-Amer­i­can folk­lore] is like jazz; there's no inher­ent prob­lem which pro­hibits under­stand­ing but the assump­tions brought to it."

–Ralph Elli­son, Paris Review No. 8 Inter­view by Alfred Chester & Vil­ma Howard

Walk­ing into the uncom­fort­able warmth of the build­ing, the odor of ware­housed, enfee­bled, sick human­i­ty struck the sens­es like a soft blow from a foul flan­nel rag. Spot­less floors and walls, tele­vi­sions blar­ing so that weak ears might hear them, some­one strug­gling weak­ly to play an old hymn on a spinet from the Bap­tist book of devo­tion­al music, the aro­mas of over­cooked veg­eta­bles and meats reduc­ing down to mushy prepa­ra­tions all con­spired to make one feel a lit­tle bit sick,oppressed.

The researcher, clothed in col­le­giate chi­nos and a plaid sport shirt, his steel rimmed spec­ta­cles glit­ter­ing under the bright lights of the nurs­ing home, wore a jaun­ty jazz man's Kan­gol cap at a rak­ish angle.

He tried and tried to get the old man back on the subject.

"No, sir, I mean to ask you about Jef­fer­son, you know. Blind Lemon. Back in Dallas."

The ancient black man, con­fused, look­ing up and over his shoul­der at his daugh­ter and a nurse, couldn't hear him. He chafed under the wool of the tight Army tunic, run­ning a fore­fin­ger around the tight col­lar with one hand, point­ing to a row of cam­paign rib­bons on his chest with the other.

The writer nod­ded at the rib­bons and smiled, scratch­ing an itch in his pro­fes­so­r­i­al beard gone gray, white in some spots.

"Is this motha' from the Army, or what? I thought they were inter­est­ed in how we chase Pan­cho Vil­la through all that cac­tus in them Mod­el T Fords, man."

The writer and the old man's daugh­ter exchanged glances. He had already vis­it­ed the fam­i­ly home in South Dal­las where he and his wife had raised half a dozen kids while he worked on the rail­road and in ware­hous­es until he retired. After he had become enfee­bled, he went into the rest home near where he had been born, a cot­ton town an hour's dri­ve from Dallas.

"Dad­dy, lis­ten. The man say he want to know about the time when Blind Lemon Jef­fer­son stay at our house in South Dal­las. You know, the gui­tar man from Wortham, from Groes­beck, from Mar­lin. You know, the blues man. He…" Her tone was insis­tent, though patient, a lit­tle loud for politeness.

The old man still didn't understand.

After a life­time in the news busi­ness, the researcher, whose day job as a copy edi­tor on the Dal­las dai­ly start­ed as a beat reporter pry­ing facts out of peo­ple grief-strick­en, scared to death, injured, angry, crazed, knew hear­ing impair­ment when he saw it. The man was so hard of hear­ing he had no idea what was going on.

He had decid­ed he was going to be dec­o­rat­ed, once again, for his pre-World War One ser­vice in Gen­er­al Black Jack Pershing's skir­mish­ing band of maraud­ers that had pur­sued the rebel ban­dit Vil­la across the bor­der into Oji­na­ga and beyond, into the bar­ren desert coun­try, after the Mex­i­can chief­tain had made raids on Dou­glas, Ari­zona, and Pre­sidio, Texas, dur­ing the Mex­i­can rev­o­lu­tion of 1917.

What made that sto­ry inter­est­ing was that for the first time, the Army had used motor­ized trans­port, Mod­el T's, to pur­sue the flee­ing Mex­i­can irreg­u­lars. It was the begin­ning of the end for the cavalry.

Though it was a fas­ci­nat­ing sub­ject, unfor­tu­nate­ly it wasn't what he was inter­est­ed in at the moment. He was work­ing on a cof­fee table book, a defin­i­tive oral his­to­ry of the famous Dal­las neigh­bor­hood of jukes and dives, pawn­shops and liquor stores, bootleggers's cafes and hotels known as "Deep Ellum."

Anoth­er spot for the inevitable birth of the blues, nur­tured in the plan­ta­tion towns and shipped to the hub cities.

It was so-called because South­ern peo­ple often mis­pro­nounce Elm as "Ellum." The "Deep Ellum" neigh­bor­hood was anchored at its main point on both sides of rail­road tracks with sid­ings for ware­hous­es just East of down­town Dal­las on Elm Street, the same street where almost fifty or so years lat­er and fif­teen or twen­ty blocks west of there an assas­sin with a high-pow­ered rifle lay in wait for Pres­i­dent Kennedy on Dealey Plaza, the Dal­las Coun­ty Cour­t­house square.

"Does he have a hear­ing aid? Per­haps if we put it in, he would hear us and catch on," the news­pa­per­man turned his­to­ri­an inter­ject­ed to the woman, who was, her­self, in her seventies.

"Well, he have one, but it's bro­ken. Besides, he only hear what he want to hear." She turned the cor­ners of her mouth down and looked down on the top of her father's head in a severe frown.

The writer was start­ing to believe it.

He kept the tape recorder rolling. The detail of what he, the old boy with the ancient Army tunic, want­ed to talk about was mar­velous. There were all sorts of lit­tle asides about can­ti­nas, what the peo­ple were like, how much beers cost, how much tequi­la and pulque would set a sol­dier back, how the old man and anoth­er pri­vate sol­dier named Ace Jack­son spent most of their time fix­ing flats caused by cac­tus thorns and keep­ing the radi­a­tors of all those Mod­el T's cool, then catch­ing up to the skir­mish line on the double.

He let a jol­ly forty-five min­utes pass as he lis­tened to all this.

"Was it hot, sir? After all, Pre­sidio is almost always the hottest place in the state dur­ing the sum­mer, and…"

The lit­tle old buf­fa­lo soldier's eyes lit up. He'd final­ly heard something.

"Hot! Shee-it, man. It was scald­ing, boy. I was too hot to wor­ry about any­thing, man.

"It was a lit­tle old bridge up there that they had blown up, went across a lit­tle gul­ly, and, man, when we got up there they real­ly let us have it. They shot all up in there with some kind of machine guns, man. We had to wait 'em out…"

"Yes, sir, I see," the writer shout­ed, lean­ing in close. "What I am inter­est­ed in was the time you met Blind Lemon Jef­fer­son, the blues man, and he stayed at your house. How long did Blind Lemon Jef­fer­son stay at your house?"

Sud­den­ly, the old man reared back in his chair, his chest expand­ing, mak­ing the brass but­tons of his old Army tunic strain, his cataract­ed, blue-filmed eyes sud­den­ly blaz­ing behind the tri­fo­cal lens­es of his glasses.

This inter­view was not about his war with Pan­cho Vil­la, after all. It was about how he had invit­ed a new­ly-arrived trav­el­ing man with a gui­tar to stay awhile in his home.

"Blind Lemon Jef­fer­son! He a git-tar man! That fool stay at my house, man!"

Yes, sir, the writer shout­ed at him. Where had Jef­fer­son come from?

"He been every­where, man. Beale Street in Mem­phis, Sweet Auburn in Atlanta, Sug­ar Hill every­where, The Beat in Mar­lin, The Sun­ny­side in Hous­ton, all down in Loo-zee-ana and Mississip'a. Man, he been every­where pick­ing that git-tar and play­ing them blues."

How did he meet him?

He sat back and pondered.

"I guess up on the cor­ner where he was play­ing. I don't hard­ly remem­ber no more. It's been a long time ago."

He grinned back over his shoul­der at his daugh­ter and the nurse again.

Did Blind Lemon play on the corner?

"Seem like they all did. They play and folks would dance. Put down card­board they got from the freight ware­hous­es over on the tracks and dance, spin around on they heads and they backs and come up danc­ing. Yeah."

Was that in Deep Ellum or in South Dallas?

"Both places. Every­where. Didn't be no rules against it. They be doin' it every­where, man. They be invit­ing the git-tar man on inside the café to have a lit­tle some­thin' to drink, a soda pop or somethin'."

He slapped his knee and laughed.

"Had plen­ty to drink in them cafes."

Well, was it his pol­i­cy to open his home to board­ers, or did he just decide that he liked Blind Lemon and decid­ed to…

"Man, you akses way too many ques­tions, boy! Here I thought you were from the Army and you were going to do some­thing about my medal and every­thing and you be talk­ing about all this here tri­fling shit like this. This here don't be about nothin'…"

The daugh­ter gave the writer a point­ed look, said, "I think Dad­dy is tired now. Maybe anoth­er time."

He fold­ed up the micro­phone, put his note­book in his pock­et, took one last pic­ture and shook hands all around, back­ing away from the inter­view feel­ing con­fused and sad.

"It's been a plea­sure, sir."

"Yeah, man, come back when you can stay a lit­tle longer."

He snort­ed.

"Dad­dy!" His daugh­ter attempt­ed to shush him as if he was a rude child.

Dri­ving back to Dal­las, cut­ting down through the smooth asphalt between the miles of stout cot­ton plants and geo­met­ri­cal­ly pre­cise rows of cul­ti­va­tion, he sud­den­ly felt morose, mourn­ing he knew not what.

Was it anoth­er missed oppor­tu­ni­ty to learn some­thing about the train-rid­ing blind man that brought his style of blues to Dal­las, had been in Clarksville in the Delta, trav­eled the South, only to die in mys­te­ri­ous cir­cum­stances in Chica­go? He was a cipher, but an impor­tant cipher, one about which lit­tle was known except that he was from the East Texas cot­ton town of Wortham in Free­stone coun­ty. It was as lit­tle to know as what was known about Robert Johnson.

A blind man with "an uncan­ny abil­i­ty to get around with­out much help from oth­ers," the biog­ra­phers often said in their fore­short­ened, abbre­vi­at­ed nar­ra­tives. In fact, many peo­ple thought he may have had par­tial sight, since pho­tographs of him show that he wore clear, thick glass­es and not the dark glass­es com­plete­ly blind men usu­al­ly wear.

"He a git-tar man!"

He fair­ly shout­ed it at the wind­shield, know­ing it would become one of his most cher­ished sto­ries, some­thing to tell peo­ple about his life, his work.

He was already fram­ing the sec­tion of the book he would make out of the inter­view. How he loved his craft.

When he reached the city, the tedi­um of the black land giv­ing way to motels and fac­to­ries, ware­hous­es and rail­road yards, he crossed Trin­i­ty Riv­er bot­toms and detoured into the pot­holed streets of South Dal­las, stopped at a liquor store and bought a short dog of white port and a lemon, squeezed it in the wine, shook it up, poured a lit­tle bit on the ground for the dead, their spir­its hov­er­ing all around him.

Throw­ing back his head and chug­ging down the sweet, syrupy stuff, he noticed a wino rolling up on him.

"Save me a spi­der on that, daddy?"

The writer hand­ed him the bot­tle, winked, said, "Sure, dude. Knock your­self out."

Start­ing his old car and throw­ing it into gear, punch­ing one of his home made tapes into the stereo and turn­ing it up, he threw back his head and shout­ed, "He a git-tar man!"

Jim Parks is a Tex­an, a news­man, a truck dri­ver, com­mer­cial fish­er­man, deck­hand and a dream­er. Keep him away from the fire­wa­ter and don't mess with his food or his woman.

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Quick Informational Post–Request for Submissions


If your cre­ative work owes any­thing to or resem­bles the works of the fol­low­ing list of folks, please con­sid­er send­ing me a sto­ry or poem or essay to fea­ture on Fried Chick­en and Coffee.

Har­ry Crews, Lar­ry Brown, Dorothy Alli­son, Paula K. Gov­er, Lisa Koger, Chris Offutt, Silas House, Chris Hol­brook, Lee Smith, Ron Rash, Richard Ford, Jim Har­ri­son, Don­ald Ray Pol­lock, Rus­sell Banks, Tom Franklin, Cor­mac McCarthy, Andre Dubus, William Gay, Charles Fra­zier, Tom Cobb, Breece Pan­cake, Pete Fromm, Nel­son Algren, Dori­anne Laux, Mary Lee Set­tle, Mary Hood, Daniel Woodrell, Dagob­er­to Gilb, James Lee Burke, Isabel Zuber, Willy Vlautin, James Crum­ley, Gwyn Hyman Rubio, Jayne Ann Phillips, Char­lie Smith, Andrew Hud­gins, Richard Hugo, James Dick­ey, Chuck Kinder, Gur­ney Nor­man, James Still, Wen­dell Berry, Mark Richard, Pinck­ney Bene­dict, Tim McLau­rin, Brad Wat­son, Steve Yarbrough, Rick Bass, Richard Cur­rey, Bob­bie Ann Mason…

I'm always inter­est­ed in read­ing writ­ers I don't know, too, so if you have sug­ges­tions, please shout out in the comments.

Lat­er on this week we'll have anoth­er piece by the Leg­endary Jim Parks. Stay tuned.

P.S. Did any of you know that Wednes­day is White Trash Wednes­day for some blog­gers? Google up some stuff, if you like. I learn some­thing new every day.

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Noodling and River Monsters


Burkhard Bilger's Noodling for Flat­heads is about noodling, obvi­ous­ly, and some oth­er large­ly south­ern pas­times. I'm going to bet, though, that he nev­er caught or saw any­thing near the likes of this bad boy. I have had great fun and edi­fi­ca­tion from Ani­mal Plan­et over the years, me and my kids, but nev­er more than the recent Riv­er Mon­sters.

My brother's friend Ron­nie spent a week or so with me once act­ing the part of big broth­er while mine was gone, some­time in the late 70s, I'm guess­ing, so I was eight or nine or so, and we spent a long ear­ly fall day pulling dead­falls out of See­ley Creek and hand-search­ing through great sod­den heaps of leaves stuck in the slow-mov­ing water, nego­ti­at­ing the bob-wire fences a few over-indus­tri­ous (one might char­i­ta­bly call them pricks) land-own­ers had spread all across the water and into the water, hon­est­ly, where they rust­ed, mak­ing you lift them up and swim-crawl under. Not great fun, but fun, includ­ing the barbs I took in the hand that got me the first of many tetanus shots. I can nev­er remem­ber the date of the damned things, so I get them every five years or so. Any­way, we found fence-posts and tire rims in the water, sev­er­al tires, too. A cou­ple traps (not set, thank­ful­ly), a chain, some fish­ing line. No fish.

I've always want­ed to noo­dle since then, though, even before I knew what it was. I was first to stick my hands up under the tree roots that jammed into the stream, the first to fuck around in the occa­sion­al clay beds, mak­ing penis­es both gross and abnor­mal. I even named them: Cow­prick, Horseprick, Dogdick are the names I remember.

We fin­ished with the creek pret­ty ear­ly then took on the farm­pond in the field in front of our place, where I used to house my pet ducks. I mean, what was in that water, after all? This was long after the ducks had been smacked down and flat­tened in the road, but the car hood they'd shel­tered under was still there. Ron­nie and I lift­ed it up and unearthed a nest of six­ty or sev­en­ty snakes who had tak­en up res­i­dence in the rel­a­tive cool. I'm shud­der­ing even now.

I'll tell you a a secret–isn't that what blogs are for?–I've hat­ed snakes ever since. But some­body needs to get my pasty white ass in a riv­er soon. I want a catfish.

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Russell Banks and Contextualized Naturalism


I find this arti­cle, linked from Con­ver­sa­tion­al Read­ing, fas­ci­nat­ing. While dis­cussing Rus­sell Banks' book Afflic­tion, Daniel Green posits some rea­sons why Banks, often read as a real­ist or nat­u­ral­ist in his lat­er work, is actu­al­ly con­tin­u­ing along the path on which he began, as an exper­i­men­tal or large­ly post­mod­ern author who now uses the tools of real­ism toward the same gen­er­al ends.

Here are some short excerpts from the Green essay:

The nov­el is about Wade White­house, not about its own sta­tus as fic­tion (although its sta­tus as fic­tion can appro­pri­ate­ly be con­sid­ered), and our response to Wade can be as com­pli­cat­ed as our response to actu­al human beings. Indeed, an impor­tant mea­sure of the suc­cess of Afflic­tion would have to be pre­cise­ly the degree to which we do fin­ish the nov­el feel­ing some com­bi­na­tion of com­pas­sion and hor­ror toward Wade, regard­ing him as a human being in all of his mul­ti­far­i­ous and often con­tra­dic­to­ry traits and behav­iors. Any con­sid­er­a­tion of form, style, or nar­ra­tive tech­nique would for most read­ers be a way of extend­ing our per­cep­tion of this char­ac­ter, not of reflect­ing on the arti­fice of fiction-making.

And this:

If Afflic­tion calls more atten­tion to its own art­ful con­struc­tion than Sis­ter Car­rie or McTeague, it is also final­ly more con­vinc­ing as a rep­re­sen­ta­tion of both char­ac­ter and set­ting, as well as more cred­i­ble as a nar­ra­tive depict­ing true-to-life events than either of these nov­els. How­ev­er com­pelling they are in their unre­lent­ing adher­ence to their own nar­ra­tive log­ic, nei­ther of them can real­ly described as telling sto­ries that are alto­geth­er plau­si­ble as real­is­tic reflec­tions of ordi­nary life. Both could accu­rate­ly be called melo­dra­mas, even if the melo­dra­ma most­ly suc­ceeds in sup­port­ing some pret­ty sub­stan­tial the­mat­ic weight, and both have fair­ly obvi­ous styl­is­tic lim­i­ta­tions of a kind that only inten­si­fies the melo­dra­mat­ic effects, final­ly call­ing atten­tion to the sto­ry­telling process even more per­sis­tent­ly than does Rolfe Whitehouse’s much less rhetor­i­cal­ly embell­ished style. The invoked worlds of these nov­els are vivid­ly ren­dered, but they exist to fur­ther the por­tray­al of char­ac­ters sub­ject to the influ­ences of “envi­ron­ment” more than they serve as depic­tions of a set­ting meant to be aes­thet­i­cal­ly real­ized in and for itself in its mun­dane particulars.

I have much more to say on this in the future, as one of my pre­oc­cu­pa­tions is dis­cov­er­ing a way to write about my pre­ferred sub­ject mat­ter in my own writ­ing and read­ing habits–rural lit, grit lit, Appalachi­an, and oth­er sub­jects often dis­cussed as 'region­al' writing–while con­sid­er­ing tech­niques from the 20th cen­tu­ry, the post­mod­ern or avant, or what­ev­er you like to call it. I'm not well-read in the­o­ry despite my degrees, so I like­ly won't be writ­ing about the kinds of things schol­ars do, but rather con­sid­er­ing how real­ism works on its terms, and try­ing to con­fig­ure what I can sal­vage from this century's lit (mod­ernism on, let's say) into cre­ative work that encom­pass­es both the way I expe­ri­ence the world personally–why else write?–and the ele­ments I can add that will help my work do jus­tice to the com­plex­i­ty of the con­tem­po­rary world and human expe­ri­ence in the con­tem­po­rary world.

I should say too that my inter­est in rur­al sub­ject mat­ter came fron Banks' Con­ti­nen­tal Drift, anoth­er of his fine nov­els that I read in my junior year of col­lege. It was only after that I came to Andre Dubus and Lar­ry Brown and a thou­sand oth­ers that formed my opin­ions and bias­es and gave me leave to write about some­thing I knew.

So, more later.

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